Transgender: Ovaries and Tesiticals
Group 1: cis women, born with ovaries. Group 2: “Transwomen”, born with testicals. … everything4every1 E4E1 everything for everyone rubbleofempires rubble of empires anarchist socialist radical feminist anti-capitalist anticapitalist revoultionay red and black anarcho primitivism blog vlog activist tactics strategy rant tim wise liberal struggle leftist oppression resistance objectification sexism racism classism
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Despite the fact that my biological sex is male. I feel like a woman. And although I am usually quite mad that feminists wont allow transgender people in their groups or w/e. I understand what you are saying becuase you are right!
Transwomen SHOULD have our own support group against oppression. We don’t need to tag along with feminists. BUT as you might have noticed, there are MUCH FEWER transwomen than real women. So therefore, we ARE NOT A STRONG GROUP. ..Sadly.. :’(
so, when you say you’re transgendered, you are referring to gender (eg femininity) and not sex (eg female)? because, if you use gender to refer to sex, you are conflating them. which is not to say that it can be both, eg sexual violence is a gender and a sex issue, eg deals with both the construction of masculinity and femininity, and the clear majority of perpetrators are male, and the majority of victims female, while most male victims are “feminised” (eg prison sexual assault)
I, as a transgendered woman, are confusing sex and gender? Please. I’ve dealt with the difference between sex and gender my entire life. You have yet to provide anything but generalized statements, while viewing your “cause” from an insider’s perspective. That is similar to a Christian spouting dogma. Drink the Kool Aid.
what liberal, status quo supporting bs, karmatic. racism, sexism, classism, etc is what marginalises and oppresses, not fighting against them by naming them. frig.
in regards to intersex folks, all radical feminists that I’ve spoken to on this say that intersex folks should be in the space they were raised as, eg raised as girl = entitled to women’s space, raised as boy = not entitled to women’s safe space.
karmatic: you, clearly don’t know sh^t about radical feminism. Radical feminists are absolutely against gender. I suspect you are conflating sex and gender here, because radical feminists vary in their belief in the contsruction of sex (eg male/female) .
As an intersex person with Kallmann’s syndrome, I would have to say I really hate the transgender dogma and the so called transgender umbrella. It basically erases, silence and co-opts the intersex people and the intersex community. We intersex people do not like the idea of transgender people within the intersex community because intersex people get enough abuse for them medical and scientific community. We simply don’t need any more abuse from the transgender community. Also Transgender people conflate biology with psychology which they cause society a huge amount of confusion and they make people confuse intersex people with transgender people.
most trans folk reject the “third gender” line of thought. not to mention, i, as a radical feminist, have been excoriated for supposedly thinking of trans folk as “third genders” (I haven’t)
You know, in a way this is all too obvious to talk about. It truly is amazing to see how oppressed groups start acting like their oppressors. Trans people are just simply sub dividing themselves like all groups do, and with the knowledge that trans people have, don’t you think they would rise above it? No. Why? Because human beings are rutted in their thinking, careless of what group it is. Similiar oppression should bring us together as one because we learn about the craziness of division.
Part 2 We don’t listen for long though, because we are so conditioned in our thinking. The self is the root cause of all cultish identifying habits, and without this pernicious ego that all humans seem to suffer from, there would be no groups, no separateness, physical space yes, but never ever ever psychological space. That is where the me resides, where all sorts of mischief begin. The only thing that destroys it, is simply by being aware of this conditioning, this psychological division.
I haven’t read it yet, but don’t worry about the length of your post. Stupid sound bite culture that forces us to speak in 500 character blocks.
origin, culture, genetics etc. Seeminly clear-cut, but where do you draw the line? Is a white child adopted into and raised in a black family black or white? What about a child with mixed Puerto-Rican and Nigerian ancestry, or an albino? Suddenly the lines start to blur and it gets tricky to put people in boxes.
Ultimately we are our psychology, the combination of our neuro-biology and our environment. From that point of view, we are who our minds tell us we are.
PS. Sorry for the long post.
… mention the natural variation in phenotype that occurs just from one woman to the next. Framing it in terms of chromosomes also doesn’t work, because then how do you define a woman with complete AIS, who is born anatomically female but is genetically male (XY), or somebody who has Klinefelter’s Syndrome (XXY) or any of dozens of other conditions.
Your comparison with racial groups is flawed because it compares apples and oranges. Racial groups are defined on the basis of geographic …
A valid point if not for a key point you’re missing here: Transgender people ARE actually the gender they identify as. Trans-women ARE women, and trans-men ARE men, simply because the brain structure that determines one’s sense of gender is identical. So the brain-structure that tells a natal woman she is a woman is exactly the same in a trans woman. Framing the question in terms of anatomy also makes no sense, because then you start to question intersex people’s identities as well, not to …
Furthermore… money and also a preemptive “I can see your point, but I still think you’re full of shit.” Thank you.
Hey everybody! =D All points of contention here hinge on how you decide to define gender. Whether you consider it the lack or presence of a body part(s), a chromosomal arrangement, or a persons brain structure. A woman who has had her ovaries removed certainly would not cease to be a woman… and there are about six different chromosomal arrangements. So what really makes a woman? Most likely factors that are not readily apparent at birth. In other words answer “c”
Again I ask, so I’m not supposed to comment on this cause I’m a guy?
And yes, I’m aware that there are countries that have a third gender. Their have been people without genders as well.
yeah, good point on the feminist thing. As for women in general, the difference is I’m speaking about them not speaking on behalf of them.
Yes, I would. Defining a prejudice or recognizing it at all gives it power. To categorize people and therefore marginalize them is wrong. Individualism matters, not the arbitrary grouping of individuals.
Many ciswomen can pass as men if they choose – they simply choose not to. There is a long and storied history of “passing women” – women dressing as men to go to war or to practice a profession. Some were found only to be “biologically female” post-mortem. In addition, post-transition many transwomen cannot physically adopt a male persona, let alone psychologically. Lastly, what about people who transition in their childhood or teens?
Personally speaking I have enormous doubts that further opening up social gender roles would have solved the physical (& not at all gender-role based) dysphoria that I experienced from an extremely young age. I transitioned almost 20 yrs ago and am the same person as before, but just a lot happier, with a body that now corresponds to the image in my head. This is nothing to do with society, just something very intimate and personal. Not social, not political, just me and my body.
Heres something I thought of a few minutes ago. You are a “radical Feminist” yet you are a man. Usually feminists are women so based on your logic you dont belong. Also, since you are a feminist, but you are also a man you are trying to relate to womens’ issues, so again, according to your logic you are out of place.
What area of women’s space would TS’s be asked to “respect”?
Can I just ask you once again how you would reply to my specific question:
In the UK 1 in several hundred babies are born with ambiguous genitalia, which space would you let them access?
The ultimate goal is equality, yes. Would you argue against equal opportunity policies that recognize and work to counteract racism?
You are absolutely not excluded from feminist/pro-feminist spaces, you might though, be asked to respect womyn’s space.
I have never understood or agreed with allowing transmen into womyn’s space.
Ms Magazine is hardly radical – probably because they have gov funding.
I have looked up Julia Serano, there are a bunch of essays online that seemed to eventually be part of the book. I will read them with interest.